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Cbd oil for sleep forum

Hey all – I know we have a general marijuana thread and an insomnia thread, but I was hoping to combine the two topics, so I created this thread.

My partner is going through a pretty bad bout of insomnia with little to no success with other options. She’s run down, lost, and so extremely exhausted, both mentally and physically. She broke down this morning when I hugged her, which brought me to tears, and I feel like she’s losing hope in this battle with sleep. She’s now looking to try CBD oil or what not to help. I know there’s been some people on here who have experience in this (I’m merely going by memory from reading past posts), and I was wondering if those of you who have experience with CBD/marijuana in trying to resolve your sleep difficulties might share your experience in here.

She’d prefer to go the CBD route to start. Are there any suggestions on which dispensaries in the city she should visit, what she should seek out, and that kind of thing. While we are not strangers to marijuana itself, we have little recent experience in this area and zero experience with CBD, and are seeking guidance.

If you prefer to PM me your experience and advice, please feel free. Thanks so much in advance.

Edit: I should add, we’re in Calgary, so if you’ve had good experience with a particular dispensary here that was helpful, let me know.

Symbl High CBD oil is great – 20mg/ml for a decent price. Just take a dropper half an hour before bed. Co Op Cannabis usually has it.

A Strong indica oil will knock her right out as well, but the thc oils seem to take longer to activate. Not sure why.

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Hey all – I know we have a general marijuana thread and an insomnia thread, but I was hoping to combine the two topics, so I created this thread.

My partner is going through a pretty bad bout of insomnia with little to no success with other options. She’s run down, lost, and so extremely exhausted, both mentally and physically. She broke down this morning when I hugged her, which brought me to tears, and I feel like she’s losing hope in this battle with sleep. She’s now looking to try CBD oil or what not to help. I know there’s been some people on here who have experience in this (I’m merely going by memory from reading past posts), and I was wondering if those of you who have experience with CBD/marijuana in trying to resolve your sleep difficulties might share your experience in here.

She’d prefer to go the CBD route to start. Are there any suggestions on which dispensaries in the city she should visit, what she should seek out, and that kind of thing. While we are not strangers to marijuana itself, we have little recent experience in this area and zero experience with CBD, and are seeking guidance.

If you prefer to PM me your experience and advice, please feel free. Thanks so much in advance.

I’ve been using cbd rso oil from a online website and it works great for my sleep. I take the oil and make cbd gummies and i take about 40mg before bed.

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I would not recommend CBD alone for insomnia, as while it does have some health benefits that could contribute to a good night’s sleep, it won’t provide as direct benefits regarding insomnia as THC will. With a more severe condition like insomnia, a general health aid like CBD may just extend the problem. I’d attack it directly.

Look into strains that contain THC of between 10 and 20%, and include Limonene and/or Terpineol at the forefront. Don’t shop based on indica vs sativa, as that alone isn’t a worthwhile guide regarding what effects cannabis might have. Focus on the THC content and the terpenes. It would be wise to talk to a doctor about it, but the basic recommendation is to start low and go slow. If a minimal dose doesn’t work the first night, increase it slowly.

Best of luck to your partner.

After taking it for nearly a year at different dosages, I’m of the mind that CBD is a placebo at best for anxiety and insomnia.

YMMV but it’s not worth the money, especially considering how ludicrously expensive scripped CBD is in Canada vs the US.

Has she tried Melatonin. I have had trouble with sleep my entire life. I started with Melatonin recently and it’s been fantastic. It’s literally a hormone that tells your body to sleep. I’d avoid taking too much or taking it for too long. The pills they sell are often 10mg each, but you only need around 2mg. Taking too much can have the opposite effect or leave you drowsy through the day.

I also only try to take when I feel that I absolutely have to, and I’ve had 2-3+ really bad sleeps in a row. I don’t want to build up a tolerance or inhibit my body’s ability to produce it naturally.

Also don’t take melatonin in the afternoon – only take it at the time you normally want to fall asleep (evenings).

I also agree – go with THC if you want to have a good night’s sleep.

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Also worth mentioning that the delivery oil (the oil they suspend the CBD in) may have an adverse affect on your stomach and limit the supplier options you have.

MCT (medium chain triglycerides) gave me the worst possible ####s you could imagine. Safflower oil was a lot easier on the stomach.

She has tried melatonin (strips and pills) but I’ll talk to her about doses of what she tried.

Thanks for all the responses and PMs on this so far. We truly appreciate it.

My impression, certainly not fact based, is that many people need short term solutions to long term issues. And there’s definitely a place for that. Often, but not always, insomnia (and other neurological challenges) have other contributors too such as diet, anxiety, health, and other stressors. Some people seem to handle all these contributors better than others, in other words there’s only so much that fit into your "bucket" and your "bucket" may be of a different size to someone elses at this time.

So despite it being painful to do it may be worthwhile having an honest sit down to review stressors, then prioritize according to the 4 D’s: Do it, Delete it, Defer it, Delegate it. Same thing with work and emails actually.
Also phrased as: 1) Urgent & important; 2) not urgent and important; 3) urgent and not important (ie someone elses problem they foisted off upon you); or 4) not urgent and not important. Since learning these two ways of looking at EVERYTHING, I’m still learning to apply them consistently, but honestly it really changed my outlook and how to evaluate life stress and mental health.

Another important item not to overlook, and related to diet, is to actually have a full spectrum blood analysis and hormone review. All too often deficiencies in absorption and elimination manifest in physical and emotional issues. For some people taking on specific large dosage supplements makes a radical difference (best done under medical supervision of course, whether that’s allopathic, naturopathic, or functional medicine).
Best of luck and hopefully you and your partner figure out a long term solution.

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Something else that might be helpful: spend an hour in a saltwater float tank. Get used to being relaxed in the dark again.

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My impression, certainly not fact based, is that many people need short term solutions to long term issues. And there’s definitely a place for that. Often, but not always, insomnia (and other neurological challenges) have other contributors too such as diet, anxiety, health, and other stressors. Some people seem to handle all these contributors better than others, in other words there’s only so much that fit into your "bucket" and your "bucket" may be of a different size to someone elses at this time.

So despite it being painful to do it may be worthwhile having an honest sit down to review stressors, then prioritize according to the 4 D’s: Do it, Delete it, Defer it, Delegate it. Same thing with work and emails actually.
Also phrased as: 1) Urgent & important; 2) not urgent and important; 3) urgent and not important (ie someone elses problem they foisted off upon you); or 4) not urgent and not important. Since learning these two ways of looking at EVERYTHING, I’m still learning to apply them consistently, but honestly it really changed my outlook and how to evaluate life stress and mental health.

Another important item not to overlook, and related to diet, is to actually have a full spectrum blood analysis and hormone review. All too often deficiencies in absorption and elimination manifest in physical and emotional issues. For some people taking on specific large dosage supplements makes a radical difference (best done under medical supervision of course, whether that’s allopathic, naturopathic, or functional medicine).
Best of luck and hopefully you and your partner figure out a long term solution.

My impression, certainly not fact based, is that many people need short term solutions to long term issues. And there’s definitely a place for that. Often, but not always, insomnia (and other neurological challenges) have other contributors too such as diet, anxiety, health, and other stressors. Some people seem to handle all these contributors better than others, in other words there’s only so much that fit into your "bucket" and your "bucket" may be of a different size to someone elses at this time.

So despite it being painful to do it may be worthwhile having an honest sit down to review stressors, then prioritize according to the 4 D’s: Do it, Delete it, Defer it, Delegate it. Same thing with work and emails actually.

Also phrased as: 1) Urgent & important; 2) not urgent and important; 3) urgent and not important (ie someone elses problem they foisted off upon you); or 4) not urgent and not important.
Since learning these two ways of looking at EVERYTHING, I’m still learning to apply them consistently, but honestly it really changed my outlook and how to evaluate life stress and mental health.
Another important item not to overlook, and related to diet, is to actually have a full spectrum analysis and hormone review. All too often deficiencies in absorption and elimination manifest in physical and emotional issues. For some people taking on specific large dosage supplements makes a radical difference (best done under medical supervision of course, whether that’s allopathic, naturopathic, or functional medicine).
Best of luck and hopefully you and your partner figure out a long term solution.

Take CBD oil for sleep?

How much is this stuff in the UK? Im looking at multifunction i have night sweats and vaping doesnt last long enough to stop me waking up soaked in sweat. It does miracles in the daytime and wiping my memory of anything once my eyes close but it does not stop me waking and it does not stop me soaking the bed with sweat.

I also wanted oil for nutrition because im not into blending seeds but i want the omega oils i dont really venture out much food wise past my fruit and veg. So im thinking this is a big part of the plant im not getting thats 100% organic and healthy and thats something i need to fix. But can this stuff K.O night terrors? And what doses would it need to be?

Right now all i have found is some cheap 250ml bottles of cold pressed hemp oil which are cheap and would make a good spoon medicine in the morning. You know when you hold your nose and swallow the yucky stuff? But i need the stuff now that would K.O me at night and in this i am clueless.

jimfish4130
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  • Feb 3, 2017
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Baron23
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  • Feb 3, 2017
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I have been advised by Dr. to take CBD early in the day as its energizing for many.

I don’t tend to think of it as sedative.

Have you tried a bit of edible. Take edible about when you vape. By the time the vape is wearing off, the edible will kick in (hopefully, edibles are a bit variable in my experience).

rodders83
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  • Feb 4, 2017
  • #4

Thanks i asked CBD brothers about the vegan capsules though i can barely afford an ounce every 2 months nevermind CBD and edibles. Really i am in weed poverty and debt the best i can do is probably edibles from used AVB and 50mg of CBD brothers pills to treat myself i get no help from doctors or anyone because i refuse non organic treatments for this issue.

I will report back if they send me a sample i sent them details of what i am suffering from and asked about Indica but the Sativa 30% 50mg pills have reviews on getting good sleep! So my plan as of now is to use the ounces i buy at $377 to keep me going daily for daytime relief and try to get in a cheap bottle of cold pressed Hemp oil for the omega 3 acids in my diet. At night i plan 50mg or 100mg of the CBD capsules from CBD brothers and size 000 caps filled with ground AVB.

The only alternative is either Temazepam + clitalopram from the doctor and that stuff is seriously bad. Which is a problem the above is my idea of treating myself and the harmful stuff is what they want me to take. And because this stuff is frowned upon they wont pay for the CBD but will pay for the opiates etc.

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  • Feb 4, 2017
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herbivore21
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This is it. I’ve pointed it out for a long time that people who report sedative effects from CBD containing material have always IME been consuming something with more than just CBD (or consumed other cannabis derived material which made them sleepy). A number of well respected folks (various Hash Church panellists etc) have recently been talking a lot about the misconception that CBD causes sedative effects.

A number of terpenes (especially myrcene, common to some of the high CBD cultivars) cause sleepiness and are found in CBD flowers. CBD on its own does not cause sedative effects IME. THC containing concentrates are going to be best for that task. You should be able to find plenty of high THC flowers abundantly in your neck of the woods

To the OP: What you need is to learn to extract. Flowers do not last long enough for sleep purposes for me either. Concentrates are the magic bullet IME Head over to the rosin thread – almost anyone can do it!

sanfranciscosadhu
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  • Feb 5, 2017
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rodders83
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  • Feb 5, 2017
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Thankyou guys this is why i love this place! So if CBD really is not sedative then it is no big deal i can sleep as in be tired infact i be fatigued sometimes its the nightmares and waking up sweating that will ruin my sleep because you have to go shower and when fatigued in the daytime from no sleep the night before i have to lay down all day because if i dont im literally not able to be spoken to as i would just not be able to function right and be angry. So thats the thought process if it is not sedative then i could combine the cheaper CBD capsules 50-100mg each night along with regular dark brown AVB in caps to ease the thoughts at night because i think the THC wears off too damm fast with vaping as you know. I have two ounces of dark AVB and need to order 000 caps because i cant stand cooking with it or the tastes.

But while the flowers hardly last as you know @herbivore21 my tolerance is still low because the $377 ounces actually is way past what i can afford while sick u have no income so just think of the prices of Rosin for a second its not even possible if i wanted to make Rosin which i do know how. And for this reason i use kief as a concentrate. I never touch the stuff normally so i guess in a way having weed quality this crap and so expensive i am micro-dosing. Because i literally have it rationed to 3.5g a week. If the CBD + AVB wont work to ease nights though im screwed because growing to make rosin and upping my tolerance would put me in the spot where if i am caught, Well there goes the house i live in because im 99% sure they would seek an eviction notice for growing cannabis they always do here. So its back to the plan above as regards to oil or take a massive risk.

Also @sanfranciscosadhu Hempiness Organic Premium Hemp Seed Oil 500ml is the best i can find i am not putting cheap Chinese hemp oil in my body the first thing i typed was best quality cold pressed hemp oil and this stuff came up. Would you approve of this brand or is there better yet?

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  • Feb 5, 2017
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I think using various strains throughout the month vs a whole ounce of the same strain. My body tends to get used to the same strain after a while and I don’t get the same intense results. I like a little of this and a little of that. Sometimes I use concentrates but not all the time, maybe a few times a week and in the evening.

My suggestion is to use various strains if possible. That might be difficult for you in your situation. That was my problem in the black market days, I would get an oz of the same strain and most of the time I had no idea if it was a hybrid, sativa or an indica. If you don’t like it, you’re stuck with it.

I suggest a heavy indica for sleep. Look on Leafly to get some ideas as well as FC. I like strains like Grand Daddy Purple, Northern Lights, Hindu Kush, Blackberry Kush and GrapeApe for evening. It would depend on their THC levels too.

Luckily I live in a legal state and can buy the medicine flowers that I want. Wishing for that where you live.

Having a regular excercise routine earlier in the day may help with sleep. Excercise too close to bed time could interfere with sleep. It’s all a balance I hope you find what works for you. I took a nap earlier – now I can’t sleep.

rabblerouser
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  • Feb 5, 2017
  • #10

I think the ABV for nighttime is the right idea.

I do a water and butter simmer and then solidify out the butter (and do two more ‘washes’ of melting the butter and shaking with water and re-solidifying). I find the taste to be minimized.

Or use your kief for edibles.

Or, could do coconut oil with the ABV and then put in capsules. I think it’ll work better with the added fat than just the ABV in capsules.

Unregardless of how you do it, I find edibles last considerably longer. Only thing in the past 15 years where I have woken up still medicated the next day (although that is still quite rare for me).

psychonaut
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  • Feb 5, 2017
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CarolKing
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  • Feb 5, 2017
  • #12

I think the ABV idea is a good one. ABV has been sedating for me. My ABV will knock me out, it takes a while to take effect. I have to take it early enough in the evening so I don’t get a cannabis hangover in the morning. Starting slow is the key. It’s no fun getting too medicated.

Make sure you take it with a spoon of peanut butter, or something that has some fat. Put it in your hot cocoa using whole milk with cream and keep stirring. Mixing it with the butter is a good idea and simmer for a while. The ABV milkshake is easy enough too. Just add it to the ice cream and milk. Start out with a teaspoon or tablespoon depending on your tolerance and work up. It can take edibles 2 or three hours to kick in sometimes. It may only take you an hour, there are a lot of variables with edibles such a stomach contents and your metabolism.

If I couldn’t sleep say at 12:00 midnight I wouldn’t take ABV to get me to sleep. That would be too late.

rodders83
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  • Feb 5, 2017
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I ordered the size 000 caps very inexpensive so i have two ounces that has been there very dark for maybe 4 months in the fridge in an Igloo Borgonova airtight. So im probably going to eat a lot of it ideally i would consume ground stalk leaf and bud in edibles if i grew my own and just keep the kief every harvest like a Moroccan.

As in harvest, Shake of the silk screens and then grind every single part of the plant left over and soak with coconut for the caps. But as i said that is so damm risky but a dream none the less. So thanks for wishing @CarolKing i hope you get your dreams too as well.

I will re-bump when i pop a few caps of the dark stuff but i cannot do the above recipes the kief is too precious to cook and i hate the textures and taste of AVB. Ideally i do not want to strain this? Or do i want to strain this and syringe into caps? I am literally thinking of just grinding plain AVB into caps but unsure as to which method.

The minimalist inside me is saying dude you only pop maybe 3 caps a day you do not need a machine or more things and the other part of me is saying buy the syringe cheesecloth and capsule machine. But i do believe the plain caps are going to be tried fist because the coconut oil is messy and once i use things the PTSD will manifest into cleaning OCD. So i tend to on purpose own as few things to clean as possible.

mutantfairy
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  • Feb 7, 2017
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How much is this stuff in the UK? Im looking at multifunction i have night sweats and vaping doesnt last long enough to stop me waking up soaked in sweat. It does miracles in the daytime and wiping my memory of anything once my eyes close but it does not stop me waking and it does not stop me soaking the bed with sweat.

I also wanted oil for nutrition because im not into blending seeds but i want the omega oils i dont really venture out much food wise past my fruit and veg. So im thinking this is a big part of the plant im not getting thats 100% organic and healthy and thats something i need to fix. But can this stuff K.O night terrors? And what doses would it need to be?

Right now all i have found is some cheap 250ml bottles of cold pressed hemp oil which are cheap and would make a good spoon medicine in the morning. You know when you hold your nose and swallow the yucky stuff? But i need the stuff now that would K.O me at night and in this i am clueless.

The oil you’ve bought is made from just the seeds I think so you’re not getting "full spectrum" that you need. I’d recommend CBD Brothers Purple Edition (with a red top) paste for sleeping. £12 for a gram. It comes in a syringe. It helps so many people. Much more concentrated than the oil, you just need a grain of rice size. The FB group I’m in has so much info – CBD Users UK.

I think a lot depends on whether it’s made from Indica or sativa. CBD Brothers (UK) do a great concentrated Indica hybrid paste that does helps lots of folks sleep, incl me. I don’t take anything at all apart from CBD. Love the stuff. I take CBD Brothers Blue Edition oil for daytime and Purple edition paste to sleep xx

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rodders83
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  • Feb 7, 2017
  • #15

That is just a Cannabis suppliment as i try to eat vegetarian so i never get omega oils. The seeds are a superfood infact the whole plant is a superfood vegetable both hemp and regular cannabis so i want as much of it in and around my body as possible. It is pretty reasonable priced for a spoon a day the body needs those omega oils too.

But thankyou for the Indica suggestion that is what i personally wanted to know about the purple as in leafly = purple indica so at £12 a gram how long is that going to last? A week £12 a week £48 a month? Also i think my general symptoms all fall into Generalized anxiety disorder i just found the page for it today and my jaw dropped how a lot of my symptoms inc sweats fall into it. But i am dreading explaining it to my doctor nbefore i have at least properly tested this CBD and can testify to him.

Also my 000 caps are here im going to pop some with AVB tonight and see how i get on

GreenHopper
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  • Feb 7, 2017
  • #16

That is just a Cannabis suppliment as i try to eat vegetarian so i never get omega oils. The seeds are a superfood infact the whole plant is a superfood vegetable both hemp and regular cannabis so i want as much of it in and around my body as possible. It is pretty reasonable priced for a spoon a day the body needs those omega oils too.

But thankyou for the Indica suggestion that is what i personally wanted to know about the purple as in leafly = purple indica so at £12 a gram how long is that going to last? A week £12 a week £48 a month? Also i think my general symptoms all fall into Generalized anxiety disorder i just found the page for it today and my jaw dropped how a lot of my symptoms inc sweats fall into it. But i am dreading explaining it to my doctor nbefore i have at least properly tested this CBD and can testify to him.

Also my 000 caps are here im going to pop some with AVB tonight and see how i get on

Before you start packing AVB into capsules have a read of Old Hippies (Beyond Chronic) experience.

The crux of it is, be careful how you pack the capsules. If you tamp a capsule down with finely ground AVB it can pass right through the gut and hit the blood stream up to 4 hours after you’ve taken it which can hit you really hard.

rodders83
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  • Feb 10, 2017
  • #17

Thanks man i only tried one and had the giggles but i was still up multiple times so i am going to experiment with more. Next time trying two i am not even grinding this i am just tampering it down into size 000 caps.

I have a sneaky feeling that 3 will be around a table spoon or more easily and be potent the first few times. Will see. 😡

TeeJay1952
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  • Feb 11, 2017
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I do not believe that CBD is a sleep aid.
I cannot remember where I got this cut and paste but thought it might be of interest. Take what you will from the info:

"Cannabidiol (CBD) is a constituent of Cannabis sativa that induces nonpsychotropic effects, and some of its biological actions in sleep have been described by the authors’ group. Here, the authors report that when administered 10 or 20 microg/1 microl during the lights-on period directly into either lateral hypothalamus (LH) or dorsal raphe nuclei (DRN), which are wake-inducing brain areas, CBD enhanced wakefulness and decreased slow wave sleep and REM sleep. Furthermore, CBD increased alpha and theta power spectra but diminished delta power spectra. Additionally, CBD increased c-Fos expression in LH or DRN. These findings suggest that this cannabinoid is a wake-inducing compound that presumably activates neurons in LH and DRN.

In order to determine the effects of CBD on sleep, it was administered intracerebroventricular (icv) in a dose of 10 microg/5 microl at the beginning of either the lights-on or the lights-off period. We found that CBD administered during the lights-on period increased wakefulness (W) and decreased rapid eye movement sleep (REMS). No changes on sleep were observed during the dark phase. Icv injections of CBD (10 microg/5microl) induced an enhancement of c-Fos expression in waking-related brain areas such as hypothalamus and dorsal raphe nucleus (DRD). Microdialysis in unanesthetized rats was carried out to characterize the effects of icv administration of CBD (10 microg/5 microl) on extracellular levels of dopamine (DA) within the nucleus accumbens. CBD induced an increase in DA release. Finally, in order to test if the waking properties of CBD could be blocked by the sleep-inducing endocannabinoid anandamide (ANA), animals received ANA (10 microg/2.5 microl, icv) followed 15 min later by CBD (10 microg/2.5 microl). Results showed that the waking properties of CBD were not blocked by ANA. In conclusion, we found that CBD modulates waking via activation of neurons in the hypothalamus and DRD. Both regions are apparently involved in the generation of alertness. Also, CBD increases DA levels as measured by microdialysis and HPLC procedures. Since CBD induces alertness, it might be of therapeutic value in sleep disorders such as excessive somnolence."